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	<title>Comments on: The New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is resisting pressure to act in the city&#8217;s bed bug resurgence</title>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to help, Joann.  The only thing I would add at this point is that you should be careful of following recommended procedures.   Although I&#039;m not familiar with the rules governing your own living situation, perhaps you should still review &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metcouncil.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Met Council&#039;s two facts sheets&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metcouncil.net/factsheets/How%20to%20Get%20Repairs%20part%201.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to Get Repairs Part 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metcouncil.net/factsheets/How%20to%20Get%20Repairs%20part%202.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Part 2&lt;/a&gt;.

Going to court is not an easy thing by any means, but I&#039;m sure you know that already.  I hope you can avoid it.  And get appropriate legal advice either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to help, Joann.  The only thing I would add at this point is that you should be careful of following recommended procedures.   Although I&#8217;m not familiar with the rules governing your own living situation, perhaps you should still review <a href="http://www.metcouncil.net/" rel="nofollow">Met Council&#8217;s two facts sheets</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metcouncil.net/factsheets/How%20to%20Get%20Repairs%20part%201.pdf" rel="nofollow">How to Get Repairs Part 1</a> and <a href="http://www.metcouncil.net/factsheets/How%20to%20Get%20Repairs%20part%202.pdf" rel="nofollow">Part 2</a>.</p>
<p>Going to court is not an easy thing by any means, but I&#8217;m sure you know that already.  I hope you can avoid it.  And get appropriate legal advice either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Joann Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joann Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee,

Thank you for responding to my post.  We had someone come to our home today to inspect the premises from The Stern Environmental Group. We have printed a copy of the Guidelines For Prevention and Management of Bed Bugs in Shelters and Group Living Facilities from the Cornell Website. Community Access also told us that they are going by this manual, but after reading it, they are not doing anything close to what is in that manual. At this point, after living with this for a year, we are tempted to just pay for this treatment ourselves. We are going to give these providers one more chance to fix this. When we get the report from The Stern Environmental Group, I am going to send it to Community Access and tell them that this is what NEEDS to be done. If they are unwilling at this point, then we will pay it and take them to court for it. 

If you have any more helpful information, I would appreciate it. Thank you for the information you did give to me, I will pass it on to them and see what they do now.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee,</p>
<p>Thank you for responding to my post.  We had someone come to our home today to inspect the premises from The Stern Environmental Group. We have printed a copy of the Guidelines For Prevention and Management of Bed Bugs in Shelters and Group Living Facilities from the Cornell Website. Community Access also told us that they are going by this manual, but after reading it, they are not doing anything close to what is in that manual. At this point, after living with this for a year, we are tempted to just pay for this treatment ourselves. We are going to give these providers one more chance to fix this. When we get the report from The Stern Environmental Group, I am going to send it to Community Access and tell them that this is what NEEDS to be done. If they are unwilling at this point, then we will pay it and take them to court for it. </p>
<p>If you have any more helpful information, I would appreciate it. Thank you for the information you did give to me, I will pass it on to them and see what they do now.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2008/09/29/the-new-york-city-department-of-health-and-mental-hygiene-is-resisting-pressure-to-act-in-the-citys-bed-bug-resurgence/comment-page-1/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joann,

I&#039;m so sorry that you are going through this.  

Perhaps you can take a copy of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/publications/bb_guidelines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cornell guidelines&lt;/a&gt; and other authoritative sources (you may wish to consult some of the resources listed on our Links page) and write a letter and/or schedule a meeting with the property management to come up with an eradication plan that actually has a chance of succeeding.   For example, the&lt;a href=&quot;http://medent.usyd.edu.au/bedbug/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Australian Code of Practice&lt;/a&gt; has this to say:



&lt;blockquote&gt;As the eggs take 7-10 days to hatch, this should be the minimum period for any follow up visit. However, in heavy infestations several follow up visits will be required before bed bug elimination is achieved. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And this article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipmctoc.umn.edu/Control_of_bedbugs_in_residences_US_Commercial.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Control of Bed Bugs in Residences - Information for Pest Control Companies&lt;/a&gt;, from Dr. Stephen Kells at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/housingandclothing/DK1022.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;University of Minnesota Extension&lt;/a&gt;, says about follow-up inspections:


&lt;blockquote&gt;5. FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS
Approximately two weeks post inspection, another inspection of the premises is required to confirm that all bed bugs were eliminated.  This inspection must be as thorough as the preliminary inspection (described above), and if bugs are found again, control procedures must be repeated.  In my experience, cost control failures encountered were a result of missed hiding places.  The presence of bed bugs in previously treated areas may be a result of these bugs moving from an untreated site (or sites) to areas closer to their food source.  Attention to detail is critical for complete elimination and the follow up inspection is critical ensuring that bed bugs have not survived control procedures.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;



You should coordinate and cooperate with other tenants who are also affected.  It may be easier to deal with them if you are a larger group. I know it is very hard but other people have organized their neighbors and been successful in getting their management to understand what it really takes to eradicate bedbugs from the whole building.

My thoughts about treating yourself -- hiring someone and then getting reimbursed -- are that there is a high likelihood of long-term failure when the infestation has already spread to other apartments so that it will not be any more cost-effective (because even if successful in the short-term, reinfestation from untreated apartments that are also infested is a strong possibility).   Simultaneous inspection and treatment is what is required.

Perhaps you already know this but the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bedbugger.com/forum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bedbugger Forums&lt;/a&gt; are a great source of support and advice (you will feel less alone).  I also highly recommend that you consult the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bedbugger.com/faqs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bedbugger FAQs&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish you success in this fight, Joann.  It will not last forever.  Please let us know if we can help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joann,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry that you are going through this.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you can take a copy of the <a href="http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/publications/bb_guidelines/" rel="nofollow">Cornell guidelines</a> and other authoritative sources (you may wish to consult some of the resources listed on our Links page) and write a letter and/or schedule a meeting with the property management to come up with an eradication plan that actually has a chance of succeeding.   For example, the<a href="http://medent.usyd.edu.au/bedbug/" rel="nofollow"> Australian Code of Practice</a> has this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>As the eggs take 7-10 days to hatch, this should be the minimum period for any follow up visit. However, in heavy infestations several follow up visits will be required before bed bug elimination is achieved. </p></blockquote>
<p>And this article, <a href="http://www.ipmctoc.umn.edu/Control_of_bedbugs_in_residences_US_Commercial.pdf" rel="nofollow">Control of Bed Bugs in Residences &#8211; Information for Pest Control Companies</a>, from Dr. Stephen Kells at the <a href="http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/housingandclothing/DK1022.html" rel="nofollow">University of Minnesota Extension</a>, says about follow-up inspections:</p>
<blockquote><p>5. FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS<br />
Approximately two weeks post inspection, another inspection of the premises is required to confirm that all bed bugs were eliminated.  This inspection must be as thorough as the preliminary inspection (described above), and if bugs are found again, control procedures must be repeated.  In my experience, cost control failures encountered were a result of missed hiding places.  The presence of bed bugs in previously treated areas may be a result of these bugs moving from an untreated site (or sites) to areas closer to their food source.  Attention to detail is critical for complete elimination and the follow up inspection is critical ensuring that bed bugs have not survived control procedures.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You should coordinate and cooperate with other tenants who are also affected.  It may be easier to deal with them if you are a larger group. I know it is very hard but other people have organized their neighbors and been successful in getting their management to understand what it really takes to eradicate bedbugs from the whole building.</p>
<p>My thoughts about treating yourself &#8212; hiring someone and then getting reimbursed &#8212; are that there is a high likelihood of long-term failure when the infestation has already spread to other apartments so that it will not be any more cost-effective (because even if successful in the short-term, reinfestation from untreated apartments that are also infested is a strong possibility).   Simultaneous inspection and treatment is what is required.</p>
<p>Perhaps you already know this but the <a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum/" rel="nofollow">Bedbugger Forums</a> are a great source of support and advice (you will feel less alone).  I also highly recommend that you consult the <a href="http://bedbugger.com/faqs/" rel="nofollow">Bedbugger FAQs</a>.</p>
<p>I wish you success in this fight, Joann.  It will not last forever.  Please let us know if we can help.</p>
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		<title>By: Joann Smith</title>
		<link>http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2008/09/29/the-new-york-city-department-of-health-and-mental-hygiene-is-resisting-pressure-to-act-in-the-citys-bed-bug-resurgence/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>Joann Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family and I are currently living in Provider Housing (Community Access) in NYC.  We have been fighting with them for over a year and put a great amount of our own money to help us eradicate a bed bug infestation. They are currently just starting to do anything and they are doing is so bad that we gave up and are going to take care of it on our own and then have to take them to court to be reimbursed. They keep sending different exterminators in with too much time in between that the problem is not being solved. I believe this borders on abuse and they need to be held accountable for their amoral behavior. We met them with them yesterday and told them that we wanted to let our attorney look at what they put in writing and they told us point blank, &quot;if you take this to your attorney then we will get our attorney&#039;s to tie this up in court for years&quot;. How are these people allowed to bully and threaten their own tenants like this? Someone needs to seriously look into these Providers for misappropriation of funding as they are wasting the tax payers dollars by doing what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I are currently living in Provider Housing (Community Access) in NYC.  We have been fighting with them for over a year and put a great amount of our own money to help us eradicate a bed bug infestation. They are currently just starting to do anything and they are doing is so bad that we gave up and are going to take care of it on our own and then have to take them to court to be reimbursed. They keep sending different exterminators in with too much time in between that the problem is not being solved. I believe this borders on abuse and they need to be held accountable for their amoral behavior. We met them with them yesterday and told them that we wanted to let our attorney look at what they put in writing and they told us point blank, &#8220;if you take this to your attorney then we will get our attorney&#8217;s to tie this up in court for years&#8221;. How are these people allowed to bully and threaten their own tenants like this? Someone needs to seriously look into these Providers for misappropriation of funding as they are wasting the tax payers dollars by doing what they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2008/09/29/the-new-york-city-department-of-health-and-mental-hygiene-is-resisting-pressure-to-act-in-the-citys-bed-bug-resurgence/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, spoke to soon.  There&#039;s a third article in Solomont&#039;s bed bug series:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/new-york/bed-bug-boom-is-a-boost-to-one-sector/86850/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bed Bug Boom Is a Boost To One Sector&lt;/a&gt;, all about the green in the city&#039;s bed bug economy. 

Tell us about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, spoke to soon.  There&#8217;s a third article in Solomont&#8217;s bed bug series:<br />
<a href="http://www.nysun.com/new-york/bed-bug-boom-is-a-boost-to-one-sector/86850/" rel="nofollow">Bed Bug Boom Is a Boost To One Sector</a>, all about the green in the city&#8217;s bed bug economy. </p>
<p>Tell us about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The New York Sun&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; will cease publication tomorrow.    Solomont&#039;s two bed bug articles were a truly great contribution to the public conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that <a href="http://www.nysun.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>The New York Sun</em></a> will cease publication tomorrow.    Solomont&#8217;s two bed bug articles were a truly great contribution to the public conversation.</p>
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