Comments on: Finally, researchers on the efficacy of dusts http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/ NYC bed bug policy advocacy | Archive Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:54:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Renee Corea http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-96251 Renee Corea Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:36:00 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-96251 That is a direct quote from the article -- which you can read here: http://www.mypmp-digital.com/pmpdigital/200905/?pg=24#pg28 Maybe you should contact Dr. Romero, Paul, and get access to the data? I note the label rate for MotherEarth D, according to the <a href="http://pestcontrol.basf.us/products/label-and-msds/motherearthdlabel.pdf" rel="nofollow">label PDF</a>, is <blockquote>[...] in the range of 0.15 - 0.6 oz/10 ft2 or 1 - 5 oz/100ft2. </blockquote> I'll leave the surface area conversions to you. Best wishes. That is a direct quote from the article — which you can read here: http://www.mypmp-digital.com/pmpdigital/200905/?pg=24#pg28

Maybe you should contact Dr. Romero, Paul, and get access to the data? I note the label rate for MotherEarth D, according to the label PDF, is

[...] in the range of 0.15 – 0.6 oz/10 ft2 or 1 – 5 oz/100ft2.

I’ll leave the surface area conversions to you.

Best wishes.

]]> By: Paul Bello http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-95440 Paul Bello Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:56:02 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-95440 After reading your article above I have a question: The article states that 200 mg per cm2 of dust were applied for purposes of the trials conducted. Are you cetain that this was the correct quantity of dust applied during these tests? If you take a quick look at the area and the dosage, this is a lot of dust to be applied on that given area. Please advise, thanks ! paul b. After reading your article above I have a question:

The article states that 200 mg per cm2 of dust were applied for purposes of the trials conducted. Are you cetain that this was the correct quantity of dust applied during these tests? If you take a quick look at the area and the dosage, this is a lot of dust to be applied on that given area. Please advise, thanks ! paul b.

]]> By: biwabi http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-83521 biwabi Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:32:45 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-83521 just make sure you buy "DE food grade" (DIATOMACEOUS EARTH FOOD GRADE) for pets control. just make sure you buy “DE food grade” (DIATOMACEOUS EARTH FOOD GRADE) for pets control.

]]> By: biwabi http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-83520 biwabi Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:17:32 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-83520 if you can't afford a professional hit treatment $1,000 to $3,000 depending on the size of your place, than your best option is DE. you could even eat this thing, it's very, very safe, just follow instructions for the application for respiratory safety. DE kills this animal, and it's very low cost. if you can’t afford a professional hit treatment $1,000 to $3,000 depending on the size of your place, than your best option is DE. you could even eat this thing, it’s very, very safe, just follow instructions for the application for respiratory safety. DE kills this animal, and it’s very low cost.

]]> By: Renee Corea http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-43719 Renee Corea Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:06:41 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-43719 Jane, from personal experience I would say that DE is not something you want to have around when people have respiratory problems. But I am not in a position to advise you about that or about how to use it. You should read more, consider carefully and consult your doctor before you use DE in your home if you are asthmatic. It is a very fine dust. With some infestations you may need more than 3 treatments. (You can review the bed bug management guidelines suggested in the resources page.) As noted in the post above, bedbugger has a <a href="http://bedbugger.com/2007/03/30/faqde/" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a> on DE with recommendations about protective gear and how lightly it must be applied (a very thin layer). In general I believe that a DE product specifically labeled for pest control is what should be recommended because then it has a label and instructions that you can follow. Unfortunately, there are many types of diatomaceous earth and some are not effective against pests, and/or are hazardous, like pool filter DE. By buying a product specifically labeled for killing insects, you can avoid buying something that doesn't work, and you have specific instructions to follow. Jane, from personal experience I would say that DE is not something you want to have around when people have respiratory problems. But I am not in a position to advise you about that or about how to use it. You should read more, consider carefully and consult your doctor before you use DE in your home if you are asthmatic. It is a very fine dust.

With some infestations you may need more than 3 treatments. (You can review the bed bug management guidelines suggested in the resources page.)

As noted in the post above, bedbugger has a FAQ on DE with recommendations about protective gear and how lightly it must be applied (a very thin layer).

In general I believe that a DE product specifically labeled for pest control is what should be recommended because then it has a label and instructions that you can follow. Unfortunately, there are many types of diatomaceous earth and some are not effective against pests, and/or are hazardous, like pool filter DE. By buying a product specifically labeled for killing insects, you can avoid buying something that doesn’t work, and you have specific instructions to follow.

]]> By: Jane http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-43582 Jane Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:49:40 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-43582 We suffer from a bed bug infestation, after three treatment we continue to have bites. I read about MotherEarth D and would like to know: 1. What brand is the best for treatment of bed bugs? 2. how to correctly use it? 3. is it harmful to humans at all, especially how does it effect people who suffer from asthma? Please help with any information. We are on the edge of a nervous breakdown over this. thank you very much. We suffer from a bed bug infestation, after three treatment we continue to have bites. I read about MotherEarth D and would like to know: 1. What brand is the best for treatment of bed bugs? 2. how to correctly use it? 3. is it harmful to humans at all, especially how does it effect people who suffer from asthma?
Please help with any information. We are on the edge of a nervous breakdown over this. thank you very much.

]]> By: Renee Corea http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-36342 Renee Corea Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:34:12 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-36342 MaryAnn, I'm sorry that you are going through this. I really like the research of this group of researchers; they have done tremendous work. However, in this particular instance -- the addition of alarm pheromone to desiccant dusts -- the insights gained do not yet equal an application. Meaning: this is not something you should try at home, I firmly believe, and the researchers themselves have said. Not yet. Not until it is studied further. One of the problems that is likely to need ironing out is the uncertainty of whether dealing with bed bugs this way -- in a real-life setting where there are many unknown ways that bed bugs interact with their environment -- will cause them to move and disperse to different and new harborage locations in your home -- something that is generally acknowledged to be a bad thing and to complicate eradication efforts. So bottom line, something that needs further study and there are clear reasons to avoid at-home experimentation at this time. Please<a href="http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/18/the-most-useful-application-of-the-bed-bug-alarm-pheromone-may-be-to-cause-dispersal/" rel="nofollow"> read the comments when we discussed this paper here</a>. And let me know if I can be of any further help. MaryAnn, I’m sorry that you are going through this. I really like the research of this group of researchers; they have done tremendous work. However, in this particular instance — the addition of alarm pheromone to desiccant dusts — the insights gained do not yet equal an application. Meaning: this is not something you should try at home, I firmly believe, and the researchers themselves have said. Not yet. Not until it is studied further. One of the problems that is likely to need ironing out is the uncertainty of whether dealing with bed bugs this way — in a real-life setting where there are many unknown ways that bed bugs interact with their environment — will cause them to move and disperse to different and new harborage locations in your home — something that is generally acknowledged to be a bad thing and to complicate eradication efforts. So bottom line, something that needs further study and there are clear reasons to avoid at-home experimentation at this time. Please read the comments when we discussed this paper here. And let me know if I can be of any further help.

]]> By: MaryAnn http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-36103 MaryAnn Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:13:54 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-36103 SO sorry, I hit "submit" accidentally! Therefore, the above comment likely will appear somewhat inarticulate and disjointed. The question is, the conclusion of Benoit, et al, makes complete sense, and I would like to know how I personally can utilize this knowledge to increase the efficacy of my pending treatments. Any information is greatly appreciated. (and sorry again for the need to post twice!) SO sorry, I hit “submit” accidentally! Therefore, the above comment likely will appear somewhat inarticulate and disjointed. The question is, the conclusion of Benoit, et al, makes complete sense, and I would like to know how I personally can utilize this knowledge to increase the efficacy of my pending treatments. Any information is greatly appreciated. (and sorry again for the need to post twice!)

]]> By: MaryAnn http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-36102 MaryAnn Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:10:49 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-36102 I am currently suffering from an infestation, and have tried to learn all I can. We have treatments scheduled to begin next week, but I have been trying to ascertain the best way to insure the highest efficacy of these treatments. This is based on what I have gleaned from my research, that direct contact methods of killing these insects is extremely difficult, and the trick is to get them to cross over the poison - sort of "lize that this post was from way back in May, but I just found it via bedbugger.com, and just read the Benoit, et al. abstract. I am a layperson, so the specifics of this paper elude me. However, as one who is battling this scourge, I am trying to leave no stone (or mattress cover...) unturned. Has anyone else duplicated the results of Benot, et al, and what has come of this research? It appears to my (VERY untrained) eye, from all that I have read (if it were paper, it would literally be reams and reams....) Again, I am unfamiliar with the process involved in getting something from the research stage to the application stage, but wonder if this methodology is available to the common PCO, and, if not, is there a way t I am currently suffering from an infestation, and have tried to learn all I can. We have treatments scheduled to begin next week, but I have been trying to ascertain the best way to insure the highest efficacy of these treatments. This is based on what I have gleaned from my research, that direct contact methods of killing these insects is extremely difficult, and the trick is to get them to cross over the poison – sort of “lize that this post was from way back in May, but I just found it via bedbugger.com, and just read the Benoit, et al. abstract. I am a layperson, so the specifics of this paper elude me. However, as one who is battling this scourge, I am trying to leave no stone (or mattress cover…) unturned. Has anyone else duplicated the results of Benot, et al, and what has come of this research? It appears to my (VERY untrained) eye, from all that I have read (if it were paper, it would literally be reams and reams….) Again, I am unfamiliar with the process involved in getting something from the research stage to the application stage, but wonder if this methodology is available to the common PCO, and, if not, is there a way t

]]> By: More tales of CIN-1: PBO and deltamethrin — New York vs Bed Bugs http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/2009/05/22/finally-researchers-on-the-efficacy-of-dusts/comment-page-1/#comment-23304 More tales of CIN-1: PBO and deltamethrin — New York vs Bed Bugs Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:32:05 +0000 http://newyorkvsbedbugs.org/?p=2758#comment-23304 [...] their extraordinary resistance to pyrethroids (and DDT, mais oui!), Tempo Dust will knock them out within 24 hours. And while we catalogue these CIN-1 features, let me remind you that there are reportedly two [...] [...] their extraordinary resistance to pyrethroids (and DDT, mais oui!), Tempo Dust will knock them out within 24 hours. And while we catalogue these CIN-1 features, let me remind you that there are reportedly two [...]

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