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		<title>By: Renee Corea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Corea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww, thank you Ci Lecto, that is so very kind.  I hope I can cram everything I&#039;m reading into these last few days to leave on a high note.  Also, I was thinking today that I hope my obsession with bed bugs continues to be &lt;em&gt;unrequited&lt;/em&gt;, for it would suck for them to start thinking of me when I&#039;m ready to stop thinking about them every day. ;)

Interesting about the slat.  Blood-sucking insects are capable of some weird stuff, though.  My bet is on them. (I had to look up pigeon eggs to picture the size of some of these blisters.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, thank you Ci Lecto, that is so very kind.  I hope I can cram everything I&#8217;m reading into these last few days to leave on a high note.  Also, I was thinking today that I hope my obsession with bed bugs continues to be <em>unrequited</em>, for it would suck for them to start thinking of me when I&#8217;m ready to stop thinking about them every day. ;)</p>
<p>Interesting about the slat.  Blood-sucking insects are capable of some weird stuff, though.  My bet is on them. (I had to look up pigeon eggs to picture the size of some of these blisters.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ci Lecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ci Lecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering if the unique lesions might have had something to do with the wooden slat and how it might have been treated, either in manufacture of for insect control.

Renee. You are a national treasure and we&#039;ll miss you. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if the unique lesions might have had something to do with the wooden slat and how it might have been treated, either in manufacture of for insect control.</p>
<p>Renee. You are a national treasure and we&#8217;ll miss you. Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you so much for your helpful and quick response.

   I&#039;d already seen the journal document, and it definitely described my bites. I brought it, along with my photos to my doctors, who just shook their heads yes. I have a return scheduled to the dermatologist to remove stitches. I don&#039;t think he will be any more helpful. if I get any more bites I would use a different doctor.
  Looking at the images in the Atlas, I&#039;d say my bites looked like the carpet beetle ones, once they start to deflate. I had almost all single bites...and then a cluster, which, along with the new knowledge of the neighbor below me having bb, convinced me they were bedbug bites. That night I found the bug on my bed...and saved it for the exterminator. 
   Having found a bed bug, may be coincidental to my &quot;bites&quot;, which did seem to stop once I&#039;d cleaned the bed and floors etc....killing any carpet beetle larve that was there. I may never really know, unless I find someone who can unequivocally tell from my photos what the bites are from.
   In the meanwhile, I have to debug my apt. and all my belonging, incase there are leftover bb or their eggs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you so much for your helpful and quick response.</p>
<p>   I&#8217;d already seen the journal document, and it definitely described my bites. I brought it, along with my photos to my doctors, who just shook their heads yes. I have a return scheduled to the dermatologist to remove stitches. I don&#8217;t think he will be any more helpful. if I get any more bites I would use a different doctor.<br />
  Looking at the images in the Atlas, I&#8217;d say my bites looked like the carpet beetle ones, once they start to deflate. I had almost all single bites&#8230;and then a cluster, which, along with the new knowledge of the neighbor below me having bb, convinced me they were bedbug bites. That night I found the bug on my bed&#8230;and saved it for the exterminator.<br />
   Having found a bed bug, may be coincidental to my &#8220;bites&#8221;, which did seem to stop once I&#8217;d cleaned the bed and floors etc&#8230;.killing any carpet beetle larve that was there. I may never really know, unless I find someone who can unequivocally tell from my photos what the bites are from.<br />
   In the meanwhile, I have to debug my apt. and all my belonging, incase there are leftover bb or their eggs.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Corea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Corea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Faith,

For a 2006 article about bullous reactions to bed bug bites, with photographs, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v126/n1/full/5700012a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see this&lt;/a&gt;.

For a photograph of a blister-like (contact) reaction to carpet beetles, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=975A91lYbxwC&amp;pg=PA63&amp;lpg=PA63&amp;dq=bullous+carpet+beetles&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=TEGbAIrSwH&amp;sig=sBSBGUo9QUSTqh-ftt__yz1ViGQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=SjyISpzTG9-ntgf7kNjnDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=bullous%20carpet%20beetles&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page of a pediatric dermatology atlas&lt;/a&gt;.   You can consult your doctor about contact dermatitis and carpet beetles.  But I&#039;m sure next time you see a bug you will trap it and have it identified if you are not sure what it is.  Your doctor should also be able to show you photographs of bullae.  I would ask your doctor to be more helpful.

In any case, I hope the source of the reactions is now clear.

And thanks...  (feel free to link to your photos if you like)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Faith,</p>
<p>For a 2006 article about bullous reactions to bed bug bites, with photographs, <a href="http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v126/n1/full/5700012a.html" rel="nofollow">see this</a>.</p>
<p>For a photograph of a blister-like (contact) reaction to carpet beetles, see <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=975A91lYbxwC&amp;pg=PA63&amp;lpg=PA63&amp;dq=bullous+carpet+beetles&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=TEGbAIrSwH&amp;sig=sBSBGUo9QUSTqh-ftt__yz1ViGQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=SjyISpzTG9-ntgf7kNjnDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1#v=onepage&amp;q=bullous%20carpet%20beetles&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">this page of a pediatric dermatology atlas</a>.   You can consult your doctor about contact dermatitis and carpet beetles.  But I&#8217;m sure next time you see a bug you will trap it and have it identified if you are not sure what it is.  Your doctor should also be able to show you photographs of bullae.  I would ask your doctor to be more helpful.</p>
<p>In any case, I hope the source of the reactions is now clear.</p>
<p>And thanks&#8230;  (feel free to link to your photos if you like)</p>
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		<title>By: faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be wordy and might not be of interest to you, but...ya never know...it may help someone.
   I just came across this site, when I saw your listing of this bite article. 
I&#039;m a recent &quot;victim&quot; of bedbugs, but I&#039;m (hopefully) one of the lucky ones.
   It&#039;s been about 3 weeks since I found a bug crawling on my bed. My apt. has been treated (twice) by the exterminator and I&#039;ve not seen another one. 
   A few weeks before I found the bug, I was getting bitten. I thought...mosquito. After the first few bites, every bite turned into a huge blister. I went to doctors for infection and blister treatment. Happily I can add that as soon as I started my cleanup (wash floors, bed, furniture etc with Murphy&#039;s) I&#039;ve had no new bites. I had about 20 total.  The dermatologist didn&#039;t seem impressed by their size. They also didn&#039;t know what the insect was that caused them...but they took a biopsy that told them...INSECT BITE (duh!). I looked all over the internet and couldn&#039;t find ones that matched mine. I posted photos to bedbugger.com where someone said they&#039;d only seen similar cases 3 times in 7 years. 
  All that being said, it&#039;s still not positive that my bites, and my allergic reaction, are from bb bites, or from something associated with pidgins that land on my airconditioner (and live above the window in the roof facing), or carpet beetle larve (I found 3 on my boxspring and 2 behind a wire on the wall). So, I continue to look for any info on bb bites.
  I saw a date on the article that said it was published in 1948. I was hoping for something more current. And I was hoping to see images of their bites.
  Photos of my bites are kinda &quot;ugly&quot;, but if anyone wants to see them, let me know.
  Thanks for your post Renee! I&#039;ll be checking this site for bb updates. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be wordy and might not be of interest to you, but&#8230;ya never know&#8230;it may help someone.<br />
   I just came across this site, when I saw your listing of this bite article.<br />
I&#8217;m a recent &#8220;victim&#8221; of bedbugs, but I&#8217;m (hopefully) one of the lucky ones.<br />
   It&#8217;s been about 3 weeks since I found a bug crawling on my bed. My apt. has been treated (twice) by the exterminator and I&#8217;ve not seen another one.<br />
   A few weeks before I found the bug, I was getting bitten. I thought&#8230;mosquito. After the first few bites, every bite turned into a huge blister. I went to doctors for infection and blister treatment. Happily I can add that as soon as I started my cleanup (wash floors, bed, furniture etc with Murphy&#8217;s) I&#8217;ve had no new bites. I had about 20 total.  The dermatologist didn&#8217;t seem impressed by their size. They also didn&#8217;t know what the insect was that caused them&#8230;but they took a biopsy that told them&#8230;INSECT BITE (duh!). I looked all over the internet and couldn&#8217;t find ones that matched mine. I posted photos to bedbugger.com where someone said they&#8217;d only seen similar cases 3 times in 7 years.<br />
  All that being said, it&#8217;s still not positive that my bites, and my allergic reaction, are from bb bites, or from something associated with pidgins that land on my airconditioner (and live above the window in the roof facing), or carpet beetle larve (I found 3 on my boxspring and 2 behind a wire on the wall). So, I continue to look for any info on bb bites.<br />
  I saw a date on the article that said it was published in 1948. I was hoping for something more current. And I was hoping to see images of their bites.<br />
  Photos of my bites are kinda &#8220;ugly&#8221;, but if anyone wants to see them, let me know.<br />
  Thanks for your post Renee! I&#8217;ll be checking this site for bb updates. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: johnycakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the&quot; dirty needle scenario &quot; is exactly what i was alluding to. thank you for the link to the army studies. a 1963 study concluded:

A review of 93 studies concerned with the 
possible role of bedbugs in transmission of 
human diseases revealed that several successful 
laboratory experiments led certain investigators 
to the conclusion that bedbugs transmit leprosy, 
oriental sore, kala-azar, 0 fever, relapsing 
fever, and brucellosis in nature. Actual trans- 
mission, however, has not been scientifically 
proved. 

scary stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the&#8221; dirty needle scenario &#8221; is exactly what i was alluding to. thank you for the link to the army studies. a 1963 study concluded:</p>
<p>A review of 93 studies concerned with the<br />
possible role of bedbugs in transmission of<br />
human diseases revealed that several successful<br />
laboratory experiments led certain investigators<br />
to the conclusion that bedbugs transmit leprosy,<br />
oriental sore, kala-azar, 0 fever, relapsing<br />
fever, and brucellosis in nature. Actual trans-<br />
mission, however, has not been scientifically<br />
proved. </p>
<p>scary stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Corea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Corea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there have been many studies.  Many are very old, some are more recent, conducted around the time investigators where worried that HIV might be transmitted by insect bites (no).  Recently a review of all this literature was published in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/301/13/1358&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Journal of the American Medical Association&lt;/a&gt;.  Thanks to the largesse of the army&#039;s pest mgmt library, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lrs.afpmb.org/rlgn_app/ar_login/guest/guest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you can read it&lt;/a&gt;, use accession number 185767.

This review is problematic for me for different reasons.  I have no qualifications to evaluate the disease transmission studies, or any studies, but I believe that this review misrepresents one study about bed bug bites.  I have an interest in bite reactions and I know their review of one particular article is incomplete and misleading.  Also, I really strongly dislike Goddard for his public statements about bed bugs.  His &quot;spin&quot; when this review article came out was stomach churning.   But he&#039;s an eminent medical entomologist.  Anyway, sorry, I get carried away when I think of him, as you will see, there are plenty of studies.  With the consensus that they don&#039;t spread disease, however, perhaps it&#039;s unlikely that there will be much additional research, but we&#039;ll see.  The remaining scenario is the dirty needle scenario.  Which would be very hard to detect.  I don&#039;t understand this too well, to be frank.  

Some think there may be evolutionary reasons for bed bugs not spreading disease.  Happy reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there have been many studies.  Many are very old, some are more recent, conducted around the time investigators where worried that HIV might be transmitted by insect bites (no).  Recently a review of all this literature was published in the <a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/301/13/1358" rel="nofollow">Journal of the American Medical Association</a>.  Thanks to the largesse of the army&#8217;s pest mgmt library, <a href="http://lrs.afpmb.org/rlgn_app/ar_login/guest/guest" rel="nofollow">you can read it</a>, use accession number 185767.</p>
<p>This review is problematic for me for different reasons.  I have no qualifications to evaluate the disease transmission studies, or any studies, but I believe that this review misrepresents one study about bed bug bites.  I have an interest in bite reactions and I know their review of one particular article is incomplete and misleading.  Also, I really strongly dislike Goddard for his public statements about bed bugs.  His &#8220;spin&#8221; when this review article came out was stomach churning.   But he&#8217;s an eminent medical entomologist.  Anyway, sorry, I get carried away when I think of him, as you will see, there are plenty of studies.  With the consensus that they don&#8217;t spread disease, however, perhaps it&#8217;s unlikely that there will be much additional research, but we&#8217;ll see.  The remaining scenario is the dirty needle scenario.  Which would be very hard to detect.  I don&#8217;t understand this too well, to be frank.  </p>
<p>Some think there may be evolutionary reasons for bed bugs not spreading disease.  Happy reading.</p>
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		<title>By: johnycakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately, it&#039;s only a matter of time. as you state, docs don&#039;t even recognize bedbug bites, let alone the repercussions. so far only allergic reactions to the bite have been diagnosed. but to my knowledge no study has been done to determine if bedbugs can pass on disease. why don&#039;t they pass on disease. do bedbugs have a natural germ killing ingredient which cleans their mouth parts ? is the time between feedings to long for transmission ? or have the right circumstances ( the perfect storm so to speak ) not occurred yet ? theoretically, any process which involves blood can be transmissible. i would imagine researchers and public health officials have given this some thought. at this point i don&#039;t think anyone brings up the possibility for fear of panic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately, it&#8217;s only a matter of time. as you state, docs don&#8217;t even recognize bedbug bites, let alone the repercussions. so far only allergic reactions to the bite have been diagnosed. but to my knowledge no study has been done to determine if bedbugs can pass on disease. why don&#8217;t they pass on disease. do bedbugs have a natural germ killing ingredient which cleans their mouth parts ? is the time between feedings to long for transmission ? or have the right circumstances ( the perfect storm so to speak ) not occurred yet ? theoretically, any process which involves blood can be transmissible. i would imagine researchers and public health officials have given this some thought. at this point i don&#8217;t think anyone brings up the possibility for fear of panic.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee Corea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Corea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi johnycakes, I&#039;m sorry your comment got waylaid.  Thanks.

Hmm, I guess we&#039;ll find out -- as you say, more and more people have bed bugs, but I think it&#039;s also a question mark whether any effects could be detected.  Who&#039;s looking?  Doctors still don&#039;t even know to think &quot;bed bugs&quot; when patients present with bites.  

I should say, of course, because often these discussions are misconstrued, that I&#039;m relieved that bed bugs are not known to spread disease.  We&#039;d be totally ****** if they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi johnycakes, I&#8217;m sorry your comment got waylaid.  Thanks.</p>
<p>Hmm, I guess we&#8217;ll find out &#8212; as you say, more and more people have bed bugs, but I think it&#8217;s also a question mark whether any effects could be detected.  Who&#8217;s looking?  Doctors still don&#8217;t even know to think &#8220;bed bugs&#8221; when patients present with bites.  </p>
<p>I should say, of course, because often these discussions are misconstrued, that I&#8217;m relieved that bed bugs are not known to spread disease.  We&#8217;d be totally ****** if they did.</p>
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		<title>By: johnycakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the possibility that these specific bedbugs had physically been exposed to some contagion or irritant which they deposited as they fed. if these bites resulted from bedbugs which had crawled through, say, fecal matter, this could explain the reactions. bullous eruptions have also been associated with scabies. as more of the population is exposed to bedbugs, the popularly held rule that bedbugs do not transmit disease will be tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the possibility that these specific bedbugs had physically been exposed to some contagion or irritant which they deposited as they fed. if these bites resulted from bedbugs which had crawled through, say, fecal matter, this could explain the reactions. bullous eruptions have also been associated with scabies. as more of the population is exposed to bedbugs, the popularly held rule that bedbugs do not transmit disease will be tested.</p>
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